Covid-19

arkeru

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katatonia10 disse:
https://observador.pt/2020/04/18/nao-entrem-em-panico-virus-e-relativamente-bonzinho-diz-maria-manuel-mota-diretora-do-imm/?fbclid=IwAR2co0QIJtJFwAymZA1ivzpyLQz0L99Oc-wJP22AzusD_O4sYANXeBBwaQs

*bomba*
Maria Manuel Mota... como cientista, fraquinha fraquinha.
 

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Em número de testes por milhão de habitante em todo o continente europeu estamos em 9°lugar. E isto considerando, Gibraltar, ilhas Faroé, Islândia, Malta, San Marino, países que fazem "10"testes e tem a população quase toda testada.
 

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The data is in — stop the panic and end the total isolation


The tragedy of the COVID-19 pandemic appears to be entering the containment phase. Tens of thousands of Americans have died, and Americans are now desperate for sensible policymakers who have the courage to ignore the panic and rely on facts. Leaders must examine accumulated data to see what has actually happened, rather than keep emphasizing hypothetical projections; combine that empirical evidence with fundamental principles of biology established for decades; and then thoughtfully restore the country to function.

Five key facts are being ignored by those calling for continuing the near-total lockdown.

Fact 1: The overwhelming majority of people do not have any significant risk of dying from COVID-19.

The recent Stanford University antibody study now estimates that the fatality rate if infected is likely 0.1 to 0.2 percent, a risk far lower than previous World Health Organization estimates that were 20 to 30 times higher and that motivated isolation policies. 

In New York City, an epicenter of the pandemic with more than one-third of all U.S. deaths, the rate of death for people 18 to 45 years old is 0.01 percent, or 10 per 100,000 in the population. On the other hand, people aged 75 and over have a death rate 80 times that. For people under 18 years old, the rate of death is zero per 100,000.

Of all fatal cases in New York state, two-thirds were in patients over 70 years of age; more than 95 percent were over 50 years of age; and about 90 percent of all fatal cases had an underlying illness. Of 6,570 confirmed COVID-19 deaths fully investigated for underlying conditions to date, 6,520, or 99.2 percent, had an underlying illness. If you do not already have an underlying chronic condition, your chances of dying are small, regardless of age. And young adults and children in normal health have almost no risk of any serious illness from COVID-19.

Fact 2: Protecting older, at-risk people eliminates hospital overcrowding.

We can learn about hospital utilization from data from New York City, the hotbed of COVID-19 with more than 34,600 hospitalizations to date. For those under 18 years of age, hospitalization from the virus is 0.01 percent, or 11 per 100,000 people; for those 18 to 44 years old, hospitalization is 0.1 percent. Even for people ages 65 to 74, only 1.7 percent were hospitalized. Of 4,103 confirmed COVID-19 patients with symptoms bad enough to seek medical care, Dr. Leora Horwitz of NYU Medical Center concluded "age is far and away the strongest risk factor for hospitalization." Even early WHO reports noted that 80 percent of all cases were mild, and more recent studies show a far more widespread rate of infection and lower rate of serious illness. Half of all people testing positive for infection have no symptoms at all. The vast majority of younger, otherwise healthy people do not need significant medical care if they catch this infection.

Fact 3: Vital population immunity is prevented by total isolation policies, prolonging the problem.

We know from decades of medical science that infection itself allows people to generate an immune response - antibodies - so that the infection is controlled throughout the population by "herd immunity." Indeed, that is the main purpose of widespread immunization in other viral diseases - to assist with population immunity. In this virus, we know that medical care is not even necessary for the vast majority of people who are infected. It is so mild that half of infected people are asymptomatic, shown in early data from the Diamond Princess ship, and then in Iceland and Italy. That has been falsely portrayed as a problem requiring mass isolation. In fact, infected people without severe illness are the immediately available vehicle for establishing widespread immunity. By transmitting the virus to others in the low-risk group who then generate antibodies, they block the network of pathways toward the most vulnerable people, ultimately ending the threat. Extending whole-population isolation would directly prevent that widespread immunity from developing.

Fact 4: People are dying because other medical care is not getting done due to hypothetical projections.

Critical health care for millions of Americans is being ignored and people are dying to accommodate "potential" COVID-19 patients and for fear of spreading the disease. Most states and many hospitals abruptly stopped "nonessential" procedures and surgery. That prevented diagnoses of life-threatening diseases, like cancer screening, biopsies of tumors now undiscovered and potentially deadly brain aneurysms. Treatments, including emergency care, for the most serious illnesses were also missed. Cancer patients deferred chemotherapy. An estimated 80 percent of brain surgery cases were skipped. Acute stroke and heart attack patients missed their only chances for treatment, some dying and many now facing permanent disability.

Fact 5: We have a clearly defined population at risk who can be protected with targeted measures.

The overwhelming evidence all over the world consistently shows that a clearly defined group - older people and others with underlying conditions - is more likely to have a serious illness requiring hospitalization and more likely to die from COVID-19. Knowing that, it is a commonsense, achievable goal to target isolation policy to that group, including strictly monitoring those who interact with them. Nursing home residents, the highest risk, should be the most straightforward to systematically protect from infected people, given that they already live in confined places with highly restricted entry.

The appropriate policy, based on fundamental biology and the evidence already in hand, is to institute a more focused strategy like some outlined in the first place: Strictly protect the known vulnerable, self-isolate the mildly sick and open most workplaces and small businesses with some prudent large-group precautions. This would allow the essential socializing to generate immunity among those with minimal risk of serious consequence, while saving lives, preventing overcrowding of hospitals and limiting the enormous harms compounded by continued total isolation. Let's stop underemphasizing empirical evidence while instead doubling down on hypothetical models. Facts matter.

Scott W. Atlas, MD, is the David and Joan Traitel Senior Fellow at Stanford University's Hoover Institution and the former chief of neuroradiology at Stanford University Medical Center.

https://thehill.com/opinion/healthcare/494034-the-data-are-in-stop-the-panic-and-end-the-total-isolation?amp
 

ChamaDoDragao

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“Never ever depend on governments or institutions to solve any major problems. All social change comes from the passion of individuals.”

Margaret Mead, Antropóloga

A ver vamos como será a partir deste fim-de-semana...o ir tudo ao charco ou não depende de cada um, rico ou pobre, preto ou branco. Nada mais, nada menos...
 

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sirmister disse:
The data is in — stop the panic and end the total isolation


The tragedy of the COVID-19 pandemic appears to be entering the containment phase. Tens of thousands of Americans have died, and Americans are now desperate for sensible policymakers who have the courage to ignore the panic and rely on facts. Leaders must examine accumulated data to see what has actually happened, rather than keep emphasizing hypothetical projections; combine that empirical evidence with fundamental principles of biology established for decades; and then thoughtfully restore the country to function.

Five key facts are being ignored by those calling for continuing the near-total lockdown.

Fact 1: The overwhelming majority of people do not have any significant risk of dying from COVID-19.

The recent Stanford University antibody study now estimates that the fatality rate if infected is likely 0.1 to 0.2 percent, a risk far lower than previous World Health Organization estimates that were 20 to 30 times higher and that motivated isolation policies. 

In New York City, an epicenter of the pandemic with more than one-third of all U.S. deaths, the rate of death for people 18 to 45 years old is 0.01 percent, or 10 per 100,000 in the population. On the other hand, people aged 75 and over have a death rate 80 times that. For people under 18 years old, the rate of death is zero per 100,000.

Of all fatal cases in New York state, two-thirds were in patients over 70 years of age; more than 95 percent were over 50 years of age; and about 90 percent of all fatal cases had an underlying illness. Of 6,570 confirmed COVID-19 deaths fully investigated for underlying conditions to date, 6,520, or 99.2 percent, had an underlying illness. If you do not already have an underlying chronic condition, your chances of dying are small, regardless of age. And young adults and children in normal health have almost no risk of any serious illness from COVID-19.

Fact 2: Protecting older, at-risk people eliminates hospital overcrowding.

We can learn about hospital utilization from data from New York City, the hotbed of COVID-19 with more than 34,600 hospitalizations to date. For those under 18 years of age, hospitalization from the virus is 0.01 percent, or 11 per 100,000 people; for those 18 to 44 years old, hospitalization is 0.1 percent. Even for people ages 65 to 74, only 1.7 percent were hospitalized. Of 4,103 confirmed COVID-19 patients with symptoms bad enough to seek medical care, Dr. Leora Horwitz of NYU Medical Center concluded "age is far and away the strongest risk factor for hospitalization." Even early WHO reports noted that 80 percent of all cases were mild, and more recent studies show a far more widespread rate of infection and lower rate of serious illness. Half of all people testing positive for infection have no symptoms at all. The vast majority of younger, otherwise healthy people do not need significant medical care if they catch this infection.

Fact 3: Vital population immunity is prevented by total isolation policies, prolonging the problem.

We know from decades of medical science that infection itself allows people to generate an immune response - antibodies - so that the infection is controlled throughout the population by "herd immunity." Indeed, that is the main purpose of widespread immunization in other viral diseases - to assist with population immunity. In this virus, we know that medical care is not even necessary for the vast majority of people who are infected. It is so mild that half of infected people are asymptomatic, shown in early data from the Diamond Princess ship, and then in Iceland and Italy. That has been falsely portrayed as a problem requiring mass isolation. In fact, infected people without severe illness are the immediately available vehicle for establishing widespread immunity. By transmitting the virus to others in the low-risk group who then generate antibodies, they block the network of pathways toward the most vulnerable people, ultimately ending the threat. Extending whole-population isolation would directly prevent that widespread immunity from developing.

Fact 4: People are dying because other medical care is not getting done due to hypothetical projections.

Critical health care for millions of Americans is being ignored and people are dying to accommodate "potential" COVID-19 patients and for fear of spreading the disease. Most states and many hospitals abruptly stopped "nonessential" procedures and surgery. That prevented diagnoses of life-threatening diseases, like cancer screening, biopsies of tumors now undiscovered and potentially deadly brain aneurysms. Treatments, including emergency care, for the most serious illnesses were also missed. Cancer patients deferred chemotherapy. An estimated 80 percent of brain surgery cases were skipped. Acute stroke and heart attack patients missed their only chances for treatment, some dying and many now facing permanent disability.

Fact 5: We have a clearly defined population at risk who can be protected with targeted measures.

The overwhelming evidence all over the world consistently shows that a clearly defined group - older people and others with underlying conditions - is more likely to have a serious illness requiring hospitalization and more likely to die from COVID-19. Knowing that, it is a commonsense, achievable goal to target isolation policy to that group, including strictly monitoring those who interact with them. Nursing home residents, the highest risk, should be the most straightforward to systematically protect from infected people, given that they already live in confined places with highly restricted entry.

The appropriate policy, based on fundamental biology and the evidence already in hand, is to institute a more focused strategy like some outlined in the first place: Strictly protect the known vulnerable, self-isolate the mildly sick and open most workplaces and small businesses with some prudent large-group precautions. This would allow the essential socializing to generate immunity among those with minimal risk of serious consequence, while saving lives, preventing overcrowding of hospitals and limiting the enormous harms compounded by continued total isolation. Let's stop underemphasizing empirical evidence while instead doubling down on hypothetical models. Facts matter.

Scott W. Atlas, MD, is the David and Joan Traitel Senior Fellow at Stanford University's Hoover Institution and the former chief of neuroradiology at Stanford University Medical Center.

https://thehill.com/opinion/healthcare/494034-the-data-are-in-stop-the-panic-and-end-the-total-isolation?amp
Logicamente que com as devidas precauções já se percebeu que temos que tentar voltar a alguma normalidade, e tentar não entrar em pânico quando surgirem os novos casos, a segunda vaga é inevitável sem vacina, mas neste momento já começamos a perceber qual o real impacto da doença, e embora seja de ter todos os cuidados especialmente com populações em risco, não é algo que justifique o custo humano e económico de nova quarentena.

 

Pavão

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https://rr.sapo.pt/2020/04/28/pais/a-dias-de-uma-possivel-reabertura-ha-quatro-mil-mortes-por-explicar-em-portugal/especial/190861/
 

Mr.Ribeiro 46

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Pavão disse:
https://rr.sapo.pt/2020/04/28/pais/a-dias-de-uma-possivel-reabertura-ha-quatro-mil-mortes-por-explicar-em-portugal/especial/190861/
O estudo avança ainda alguns números preocupantes e que podem justificar estes óbitos em excesso: entre 1 de março e 22 de abril houve menos 191.666 doentes com pulseira vermelha nos hospitais, menos 30.159 com pulseira laranja e menos 160.736 com pulseira amarela.

Tendo como referência a mortalidade nas 24 a 48 horas após a admissão nos hospitais antes da pandemia, “estas quebras correspondem a um potencial de pelo menos 1.291 mortes, sendo 79 em doentes triados com pulseira vermelha, 1.206 com pulseira laranja e 6 com pulseira amarela”, indica.

Um bando de especulações e respondem ao problema no mesmo artigo.
Não tiveram circo que chegue.
 

Pedro Manuel Bártolo

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...e agora um estudo sobre o impacto do vírus, mediante o nível de vitamina D nos pacientes.

https://imgur.com/tkQXLjO


Escusado será dizer que ainda muito boa gente (aka múmia da DGS) não sabe o que fazer..
 

Devenish

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Pedro Manuel Bártolo disse:
...e agora um estudo sobre o impacto do vírus, mediante o nível de vitamina D nos pacientes.

https://imgur.com/tkQXLjO


Escusado será dizer que ainda muito boa gente (aka múmia da DGS) não sabe o que fazer..
Desculpa a minha ignorância/burrice ou cansaço mental para interpretar o gráfico e não percebí o que escreveste embaixo.
A vitamina D tem importância relevante nestes casos ou não?
 

Eclipsisboy

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Os numeros conrinuam a baixar.. bom sinal.

306 novos casos. Mais 18 vítimas mortais a lamentar!
 

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Eclipsisboy disse:
Os numeros conrinuam a baixar.. bom sinal.

306 novos casos. Mais 18 vítimas mortais a lamentar!
Menos 76 internado e menos 18 em UCI.

+128 recuperados

Infelizmente ultrapassamos os 1000 óbitos..
 

cccmonteiro

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Devenish disse:
Desculpa a minha ignorância/burrice ou cansaço mental para interpretar o gráfico e não percebí o que escreveste embaixo.
A vitamina D tem importância relevante nestes casos ou não?
Foi detetada maior severidade para casos de Covid-19 em indivívuos com o valor de vitamina D inferior ao ideal de 0,30 ng/mol. Isto para uma amostra de 212 indivíduos (N=212).

Observações: 212 casos é um número extremamente reduzido. Não é referida a origem, se existe, do estudo.
 

Devilelas

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Eclipsisboy disse:
Os numeros conrinuam a baixar.. bom sinal.

306 novos casos. Mais 18 vítimas mortais a lamentar!
Afinal são 295 casos novos. Mas para mim o indicador mais fiável e que confere mais segurança é o do constante e muito progressivo decréscido do numero de internados em enfermaria e em UCI.
Ah e o Rt entre 23 e 27 de Abril nacional foi de 0,92!!!
 

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A importância da vitamina D é por demais reconhecida.

E nem só parar o reforço do sistema imunitário.

Aqui está uma a pequena amostra da vantagem de elevarmos o nosso nível de vitamina D no contexto da pandemia covid.

https://youtu.be/aXw3XqwSZFo